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The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.A book that was deleted when strategy guides were not allowed. See discussion -User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123 17:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- This book was deleted about 16 years ago and only one page had a significant amount of content. It could all be undeleted but would probably be better re-made from scratch.--Xania
talk 01:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Undeleted it with many first-level subpages. Yet City Of Heroes/Archetypes, City Of Heroes/Powers, City Of Heroes/General Help, City Of Heroes/Enhancements, City Of Heroes/Binds and City Of Heroes/Badges have even more subpages to be undeleted.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 22:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Undeleted many subpages of the above subpages, less obviously useless versions. Yet any administrators are hereby advised to check Special:Undelete for more to be undeleted.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 21:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Undeleted it with many first-level subpages. Yet City Of Heroes/Archetypes, City Of Heroes/Powers, City Of Heroes/General Help, City Of Heroes/Enhancements, City Of Heroes/Binds and City Of Heroes/Badges have even more subpages to be undeleted.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 22:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Remaking this content from scratch might be difficult - the game shut down in 2012. There's a small community of users running private servers based on leaked source code (!), but far fewer than when the game was active. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 07:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Redirects created by myself
[edit source]I am proposing to undelete Cookbook:Dark chocolate chips, Cookbook:Peanut butter and Cookbook:Food coloring because in my opinion I believe it is necessary due to the pipe trick. For example, I entered [[Cookbook:Food coloring|]], which gives you Food coloring, which is currently a red link, so I created this redirect to Cookbook:Food Coloring. What are your thoughts? Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 08:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is a good question! When I started out in the cookbook several years ago, I also created redirects like this. However, I was told at the time that Wikibooks does not use redirects in this way. I am open to further discussion about this, especially with the Cookbook, since it does not function like the other books on the project. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wikibooks doesn't allow redirects in mainspace. However, as in Cookbook:Grunt Work, redirects are allowed in Cookbook namespace. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's an interesting point. In terms of my personal opinion, I am currently neutral about redirects like this. I do think having these redirects can be helpful in some cases, especially given the wide range of terminologies used in cooking and the collaborative nature of the cookbook. However, excessive and unnecessary redirects (e.g. with all potential capitalization options) can create clutter. And, if I recall correctly, it's generally best practice to never link directly to redirect pages, instead linking to the correct end-page and subsection as appropriate. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Leaderboard, @SHB2000, @WhatamIdoing: pinging users since these users didn't participate this undeletion request in almost 2 weeks. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Xeverything11 I don't get the relevance of the pipe trick with this. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't either. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 20:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Xeverything11 I don't get the relevance of the pipe trick with this. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why it would be a problem to link directly to a redirect page. The wikitext doesn't care; the parser doesn't care. I'm not sure why anyone would create a rule against it. WhatamIdoing (discuss • contribs) 06:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- IMO I will have to concur with WhatamIdoing that it's a terrible rule, especially all the more that WP:CHEAP and makes these books more accessible (broken redirects can always be dealt with later); that still said I will say no to restoring these redirects until we get the policy changed. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- @MarcGarver I believe you were the one who originally told me about the avoidance of redirects at this project. Do you know what the original reasoning was? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's all down to books v articles. A book is supposed to be self-contained. So, a redirect from an alternative BOOK title to the actual book is okay - e.g., from "Fizzicks" to "Physics". But redirects that go to one page in a book are discouraged as it is creating a structure more like individual articles and creates pages that shouldn't exist. E.g., we don't have a standalone page called "Heat exchange", it's a subpage of Physics, Physics/Heat Exchange". Following the same philosophy you wouldn't have a redirect from "heat exchange" because things that aren't subpages should be books, and there is no book about heat exchange. Similarly, cross namespace redirects were discouraged (e.g., from mainspace to the cookbook space) as the cookbook is supposed to be one, very large, self contained book. Anyway, if I recall correctly, that was the theory. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 14:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- It sounds like they don't want Heat exchange to redirect to Physics/Heat exchange, because someone might later want to write a whole book about Heat Exchange.
- That rationale has nothing to do with redirects for alternate (i.e., wrong) capitalization, which I believe is the question here. WhatamIdoing (discuss • contribs) 06:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's all down to books v articles. A book is supposed to be self-contained. So, a redirect from an alternative BOOK title to the actual book is okay - e.g., from "Fizzicks" to "Physics". But redirects that go to one page in a book are discouraged as it is creating a structure more like individual articles and creates pages that shouldn't exist. E.g., we don't have a standalone page called "Heat exchange", it's a subpage of Physics, Physics/Heat Exchange". Following the same philosophy you wouldn't have a redirect from "heat exchange" because things that aren't subpages should be books, and there is no book about heat exchange. Similarly, cross namespace redirects were discouraged (e.g., from mainspace to the cookbook space) as the cookbook is supposed to be one, very large, self contained book. Anyway, if I recall correctly, that was the theory. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 14:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Leaderboard, @SHB2000, @WhatamIdoing: pinging users since these users didn't participate this undeletion request in almost 2 weeks. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's an interesting point. In terms of my personal opinion, I am currently neutral about redirects like this. I do think having these redirects can be helpful in some cases, especially given the wide range of terminologies used in cooking and the collaborative nature of the cookbook. However, excessive and unnecessary redirects (e.g. with all potential capitalization options) can create clutter. And, if I recall correctly, it's generally best practice to never link directly to redirect pages, instead linking to the correct end-page and subsection as appropriate. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wikibooks doesn't allow redirects in mainspace. However, as in Cookbook:Grunt Work, redirects are allowed in Cookbook namespace. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
This page was transwikied from the English Wikipedia after an AfD, but unilaterally deleted by Hagindaz on the grounds that it was an "out-of-date copy of [a] Wikipedia article." This is not a valid speedy deletion criterion, and there was no RfD. Additionally, the nonexistence of this page poses an obstacle in the process of removing all of the Wikipedia links in Atlas Shrugged. JJPMaster (she/they) 04:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Deletion
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This seems to be abandoned book, the only content is largly vacuous. I don't believe it is likely to be extended or worked on because it is both a technical topic, and represents to original author's goals for such a book (graduate level vs undergraduate). Thenub314 (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- It does seem abandoned; the single existing page hasn't been updated since 2018 and the main book page hasn't been updated since 2019. Unless someone quickly decides to pick up on it, I can't really see it staying here at Wikibooks :/ —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hello there,
- currently I'm working over at the German page, because I have begun to work with a new, more intuitive terminology. My current plan is to first finish the German version and then possibly to translate it. To finish the German version will take at least until the end of this year. Until then, you shouldn't expect any progress. Afterwards, I may feel inclined to pick up the project, depending on my human rights situation. --Mathmensch (discuss • contribs) 09:26, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. While this is a stub and we should not deleted them the content present is extremely limited and by the reply above it is duplicated in another language project with the intention of migration here later. Since it also occupies a topic space name it also becomes a blocker to other similar works. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 20:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Various pages in Basics of fine-art photography
[edit source] The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments. The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Seems to be pretty much an encyclopedic article about the Knights Templar, which makes it out of scope; enormous amount of links to enWP and may even just be an import. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep. This is one of Panic2k4's books, not a WP import. They remain an active, if sporadic, contributor and may well return to this in the future. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 15:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I just realized they were never notified about the nom, so I'll go ahead and do so on their talk page for posterity. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I urge you to consider that your view of what a encyclopedic article is may be too ample. Please avert proposing deletions simply on those grounds, especially when real content is present, if a direct import can be matched give it more time if someone has gone to the work of requesting and performing an import from Wikipedia they (or others) may us it to extend the content into a book... I understand that you may be busy but you need to dedicate more time when content is present. A simple examination of the proposed work would make the structural effort obvious even if not the creative content added.
- I think deletion of imports from Wikipedia was already discussed somewhere else, probably on the deletion policy talks and some consensus was formed around it that no real lost or gain comes from performing them directly (considering the necessary steps some time should be granted if not blocking a specific namespace) and that simple non imported (without the edit history) duplication of Wikipedia content should not have the same consideration falling a bit above nonsense contributions (depending on the editor's history).
- There is ample discussion regarding project stubs, that they should be preserved simply if having structural value...
- I often dedicated time to salvage abandoned imports (I have or had import rights and did some of the import request). I can not remember how I started this project but along with an historic and curiosity on the subject, I did do some imports to it, I'm aware that some I left unfinished (and that the foot notes are indeed a eye sore at the end of the book structure) due to lack of time to continue on a single project and due to the issues around the C++ Programming book that made my reconsider my priorities...
- If some other content was deleted simply due to be an "encyclopedic article" I would ask for anyone with time to examine those deletions. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 20:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Panic2k4! I definitely appreciate your perspective. My main concern regarding things like this is the needs of the community and the project right now. I understand the logic behind keeping books and pages that have potential, but our project seems to have hemorrhaged editors over the last several years, and activity is fairly low. I worry that keeping too many pages just because they have some potential makes the project overly cluttered and makes it harder to access the content that is higher quality—I feel like we have an unfortunate reputation in this respect. There are stubs that have previously been kept because they had the potential for improvement but that have not been substantially improved in over twenty years. I just don't want to see the project get bogged down today under the weight of imagined future improvement. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, regarding issues like encyclopedic content pages, I do think it's important to consider what makes us different from our sister projects like Wikipedia. I suppose for Remembering the Templars specifically, I just don't see what makes it significantly different from w:Knights Templar, w:History of the Knights Templar, etc. When you combine this with the issues that I've described above and the fact that this page has had issues of structure and dewikification for over a decade, that is what led me to nominate it for deletion. I hope this explains my thought process a bit better! Cheers again —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Try to bring Wikipedias here to extend stubs into textbooks if you see pure encyclopedic content pages (they can also request an import there if there is valid content). I did that when I imported pages, or covered similar content (did the same in other languages Wikibooks). The issue with the loss of contributors is not linked with this type of content (in fact I find it a inspiration to contribute) its is often easier to extend than to initiate and commit to a project from 0 (just like contributing to Open Source projects).
- The reason we lose contributors in my view is due to heckle (especially from non contributors) and technological / bureaucratic complexity. Its a hard commitment to engage in a project a lot harder than with a simpler encyclopedic article. More solitary (unless it is a class project) and required more focus (people often do not want to get involved with the general community or dragged into political discussions around outside their own project) and hard to coordinate (a book has a larger vision and is structural dependent, has to have a flow and logic). This is why even a stub with a simple structural approach to a subject has some value here. If not for anything more than demonstrate that someone else was interested in the subject. If you notice the deletions discussions you can see these forces represented...
- I had relied in another user running a script bot to do the dewikifications (from wikipedia) that was a reason for me to halt the work there at that time, I like to preserve wikilinks as much as possible to similar content exist here (bookshelves or local content get linked first). At the same time, and to give an pertinent example or how people get tired, I got reverted by a sysop by doing the same on my own contributions on another work (on wikijunior, on the ground of esthetics, inter project consistency or whatever, this is an example of the problem). Now in an age overwhelming content. where people expect immediacy more than quality, that publishing or duplicating the edit capabilities of Wikimedia locally is easier any barrier will push people away...
- Regarding your inability to distinguish the content apart, it seems you have more a problem with Wikipedia than my "article" then. A Wikipedic article should be a reduction to the topic it covers and split in distinct interlinked articles when its grows too much, this is a problem with many wikipedia articles (and I understand why, the need to source and maintain cohesion is better done in a monolithic view of the subject). In any case a History Wikibook can not go much further than an aggregation of facts (and I did include my own speculation, that is a historic minority view point) in relation to the Cathars in linking all to the pope's geopolitical view of the world (and grab for power) and providing a contextual view of the subject matter (you do not see that on the wikipedian articles) not a link to the free masons :) that is mere hypothetical if tentatively logic or made logic by co-adoption.
- Remember also that we consider an aggregation of Wikepedian articles and Encyclopedia and if the scope and intention is to educate it falls under a textbook definition, we have books like that here, some have survived deletion many time... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 05:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Panic2k4 I think you and I share the same general values about the project, but we simply disagree on our conclusions. I'll let other people weigh in here. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, regarding issues like encyclopedic content pages, I do think it's important to consider what makes us different from our sister projects like Wikipedia. I suppose for Remembering the Templars specifically, I just don't see what makes it significantly different from w:Knights Templar, w:History of the Knights Templar, etc. When you combine this with the issues that I've described above and the fact that this page has had issues of structure and dewikification for over a decade, that is what led me to nominate it for deletion. I hope this explains my thought process a bit better! Cheers again —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Panic2k4! I definitely appreciate your perspective. My main concern regarding things like this is the needs of the community and the project right now. I understand the logic behind keeping books and pages that have potential, but our project seems to have hemorrhaged editors over the last several years, and activity is fairly low. I worry that keeping too many pages just because they have some potential makes the project overly cluttered and makes it harder to access the content that is higher quality—I feel like we have an unfortunate reputation in this respect. There are stubs that have previously been kept because they had the potential for improvement but that have not been substantially improved in over twenty years. I just don't want to see the project get bogged down today under the weight of imagined future improvement. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Doesn't seem in-scope as a book—just seems like a single page on how to do a specific calculation. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep -You have to consider also that projects can be merged (I have not checked if there is a possible match) in any case consider it a stub with valid content. It is a stub (November 2018) there is the problem of a namespace collision since it identifies as a specific topic (but as you identified is a very limited scope). Had I the time I would create a structure around it and contribute to it in the subject of Entropy or how our non-existing reality, is also "evaporating" into nothing...
- Stubs are promoters to growth, like particles to rain... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 20:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Out of scope here; material should be hosted at Wiktionary (I've suggested it there). —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Any content in this dictionary should be already be at wiktionary:Wiktionary:Requested entries (Kashubian)/Kashubian Dictionary, where we will be able to slowly make entries for these. Vininn126 (discuss • contribs) 21:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Out of scope; seems to be an incomplete translation of the bible into a conlang. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned, unclear scope, little content, unclear path for development. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned, very little meaningful content, unclear path for development. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned, little to no meaningful content, unclear scope or potential for development. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - an earlier version of this page was imported to Wikiversity as Portal:Linguistics (and subsequently edited into oblivion). The followup edits here aren't needed at WV. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 07:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Book is un/under-developed and abandoned, and the scope/potential for development is somewhat unclear to me. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Extremely minimal content and abandoned for almost 20 years. Was previously nominated for deletion in 2006 but kept on the grounds that it could be expanded—clearly this has not happened. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Fiction / original research - a conlang being (very slowly) created by the author of the book.
The following books are closely related to that project and should be deleted as well:
as well as Biblioþeke, which has already been nominated for deletion.
- Delete all per the above. I can find no evidence of the conlang outside Wikibooks and this sole author. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Yet another abandoned, underdeveloped book on an obsolete operating system. (Mac OS X Leopard was released in 2007, and has been unsupported since 2011.) If there were more content in this book, it could possibly be refactored into a version-independent book about macOS, but there's effectively nothing here. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete . If it were more fleshed out, it could be kept as archival. However, there's so little there. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; consists of one page with very little content; no introduction or scope —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Has a list of redlinks for subpages; there is one subpage: Algebra and Number Theory/Elementary Number Theory. This is not useful and has been abandoned for too long. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned for many years; very little actual content; only real contributor was an IP whose last edit was in 2015. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned for at least a decade; consists of main page only; almost no meaningful content. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; consists of main page only; almost no meaningful content; unclear scope. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
One page only; abandoned >1 decade; little to no meaningful content; scope unclear —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete . HP OpenView no longer exists as a product (and its successor HP Network Management Center has been discontinued as well!); neither does HP's certification exam for it. There's certainly no purpose in writing a new guide for a nonexistent exam for a obsolete product. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 19:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned for ~1 decade; little to no meaningful content; one paragraph in entire book; scope unclear —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Not particularly in scope for the book as it is; content is not particularly meaningful, educational, helpful, or well-developed (e.g. what does it mean for red blood cells to "helps in structure of the body"?) —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete . Even if the strange or outright wrong statements were removed (like describing a cell as "a small particle or organism", or implying that red and white blood cells are the only types of cell!), this sort of very basic explanation would be more at home in an introductory text on biology, not a text on biochemistry which assumes familiarity with these topics. (And indeed, there are much better explanations in books like Biology, Answering the Big Questions of Life/Cells.) Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Seems to be out of scope, since Wikibooks does not host fiction. –Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:29, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 00:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; only contains main page with little content; scope not well-defined. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Merge into How To Assemble A Desktop PC as this content is relevant on that page. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 20:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's a viable merge. HPC is not performed with desktop computers. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; very little content; unclear scope/path to completion —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; one chapter only, which contains only a handful of sentences. Not enough content and no path for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The only subpage is this: Global Illumination and HDRI Maps in 3D Studio Max/HDRI Maps. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Pages in Security+ Certification
[edit source]Both Security+ Certification/Threats and Vulnerabilities and Security+ Certification/Network Security seem to be deprecated per @Tule-hog's recent overhaul; moreover, the pages in question seem to consist entirely of outlinks to Wikipedia. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Obsolete Microsoft certification guides
[edit source]- MCSE Server 2003 Certification Core Exams (exam 70-290 retired July 2013)
- Microsoft Certified IT Professional (exam 70-444 retired June 2011; exam 70-450 retired July 2015)
- Microsoft Certified Professional Developer (exams 70-526, 70-528, 70-529, 70-547, 70-548 retired June 2011; exams 70-290, 70-536 retired July 2013)
These books all correspond to Microsoft certification exams which were retired in 2011-2015, and consist almost entirely of lists of course objectives copied from official course materials. There's almost no original educational content in any of these three books, and it's highly unlikely that they're going to be improved, since the certification exams they correspond to are no longer offered.
(Reference for the exam retirement dates is: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/support/retired-certification-exams)
Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the above; additionally, some of these have very little content at all. Some pages may be candidates for speedy deletion. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Little to no meaningful content, abandoned >1 decade. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Nothing particularly salvageable from this. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Very little meaningful educational content; seems like opinion at most? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Very little content at all, no outline or potential for development; abandoned for years. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Out of scope at Wikibooks since this is already completely covered by Wiktionary. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment English-Arabic dictionary/Colors in Arabic gets a nontrivial amount of traffic (~50 views/day). It'd be nice if we could at least preserve this as a redirect to an equivalent resource. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: a book selecting vocabulary into introductory groups is very different from a lexical database such as Wiktionary. In Wiktionary, one does not know where to start learning the vocabulary. Admittedly, the title gives excessively broad scope, so something should probably be done. (The argument with 50 views/day has some force.) --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Abandoned 17 years; consists only of paltry introduction. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Audacity already has high-quality, freely licensed documentation at https://manual.audacityteam.org/ (and it's even a wiki!). Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 21:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; little to no meaningful content. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. All indicated subpages are redlinks. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Abandoned >1 decade; undeveloped (single page only); no scope or plan for expansion/future development. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The only subpage: Mercury Programming/Types. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; little to no meaningful content; mostly a few section headers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
No meaningful content; chapter list only; abandoned >1 decade —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No subpages; all listed subpages are redlinks. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; very little content; unclear scope; no path forward for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - readers would be much better off with Valgrind's own quick start guide (which is even freely licensed). Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 17:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Original research/soapbox/NPOV; abandoned >1 decade; main page only —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - out of scope religious/philosophical content similar to #Developing a Universal Religion, but less developed. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 07:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete . For the record, the page starts: "This project is to create an Open Source religion and philosophy, transparent and accessible to all, directed to interest all without discrimination." By the way, I would not mind instead quasi-deleting by moving to userspace of the main author so that anyone can review later what kind of material is being deleted. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; little to no meaningful content; no plan for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The only subpage: Programming for the consultant/Approaching A New Code Base. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned; main page only; no meaningful content; no plan for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom; could be speedy. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned; little to no meaningful content; one page only with little content; no path for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The one existing subpage is Radiata Stories/Character Recruitment. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Scope unclear; abandoned with no plan for development; little to no meaningful content; most pages qualify for speedy anyway. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Main page only; abandoned >1 decade; little meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, but I think a change of Wikibooks:Deletion policy is needed so that we can delete useless stubs abandoned for a long time. The nominated page cannot be of any use as is. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; little to no meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete : no meaningful content. A bit of meaningful content is in Guide to Unix. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; little meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom: almost no meaningful content. No further reading. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; little content; unclear path for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
CompTIA Certifications
[edit source]Network+ Certification moved and updated at Wikiversity.
Security+ Certification moved and updated at Wikiversity.
A+ Certification moved and updated at Wikiversity.
De-duplicating work across Wikimedia. Subpages should all be deleted as well. Might be worth leaving a redirect to WV for future users. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 21:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I centralized at Wikiversity since the projects (as of now) are compendiums of links and resources based on the listed objectives of each exam, sometimes with explicitly suggested 'activities'. Very little in the way of 'book'-like exposition. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thought about leaving a
{{MovedToWikiversity}}but that template has been deleted in the past. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 02:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)- If all the content has indeed moved over to Wikiversity, I'm not sure we need to keep these here, especially given their quality. Cheers –Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Wikiversal generated pages
[edit source]- Wiki Assistant
- User Page Builder
- Inexplicably, the links on the main page of this book all point to pages under w:User:Hazel45onnie/User Page Builder on the English Wikipedia. I'm nominating those pages for deletion on enwiki as a separate process (here).
- WikiverSuite/Wikiversant/Gunport Builder Demo 1
- Wiki Tutorial
- Some of the internal links in this book are written as if the book is named Tutorial instead of Wiki Tutorial. You may have to use Special:Prefixindex/Wiki Tutorial to read through the whole thing.
These books were all generated using Wikiversal, a third-party wiki editing tool written by User:Planotse which is no longer downloadable. Many of them contain broken internal links or other outdated content (like references to Wikiversity being a subproject of Wikibooks), and the HTML-heavy markup generated by Wikiversal makes them unreasonably difficult to edit.
(As as aside, the markup used for these "presentations" is completely broken on the mobile site, e.g. [1]. For some reason, the forward/back buttons are invisible, making it impossible to navigate from page to page.)
The first three books are all instructions on how to use Wikiversal itself. Since it's no longer available, they are of no use. The fourth, while described as a "Wiki tutorial", primarily instructs users to use Wikiversal to build pages on the wiki; its main page should probably be redirected to Using Wikibooks as a much more comprehensive resource.
Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't inexplicable that these pages and links are on the English Wikipedia. The spammers who developed these pages were primarily trying to peddle software for use on the English Wikipedia. Their pages on the English Wikipedia are also pending deletion as misusing Wikipedia for web hosting. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Based on the name and some of the user's (now deleted) activity on Wikiversity, I think the software was actually intended primarily for use on Wikibooks and/or Wikiversity. Why they decided to host some of its documentation on Wikipedia is a mystery. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't worth trying to explain the behavior of spammers. Sometimes the explanation is stupidity and greed. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 23:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Based on the name and some of the user's (now deleted) activity on Wikiversity, I think the software was actually intended primarily for use on Wikibooks and/or Wikiversity. Why they decided to host some of its documentation on Wikipedia is a mystery. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I haven't yet looked at the deletion request here. I am primarily an English Wikipedia editor, just as User:Omphalographer is primarily a Commons editor. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't inexplicable that these pages and links are on the English Wikipedia. The spammers who developed these pages were primarily trying to peddle software for use on the English Wikipedia. Their pages on the English Wikipedia are also pending deletion as misusing Wikipedia for web hosting. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All - Spam. These books were created twelve years ago to peddle software to new users. This was an abuse of Wikimedia for commercial purposes. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Much like the Wikiversal pages nominated above, this book is documentation for a piece of self-authored software by User:Planotse which is no longer available for download. I can't find any substantial references to this software anywhere online outside of this book itself, so it seems highly unlikely to be useful to anyone.
Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the above. If the software is not currently available and was never widely available or notable previously, I don't see why keeping it is useful, even for historicity. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is more spam by a spammer. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 23:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.No textual content at all, just a couple of tables of data. I can't find any other information online about this game; for all we know, it may not even exist. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as stated above. The content is so minimal, and the scope is not defined. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Done, including 4 subpages. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Salute, Jonathan! and its translations
[edit source]- Alo, Jonathan!
- Bune Ğonatan!
- Dag, Jonathan!
- Glidis, o Jonathan!
- Hai, Jon!
- Hallo, Jonathan!
- Haloo, Jonatan!
- Hay, Jonathan!
- Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)
- Hej, Jonathan!
- Hela, Jonathan!
- Holo, Jonathan!
- Oila, Jonatan!
- Salam, Jonathan!
- Salom, Jonatan!
- Salu, Jon!
- Salut Jonathan!
- Salute, Jonathan!
- Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)
- Salut, Jonathan!
- Salut, ionatano!
- Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)
- Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)
- Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)
- Saluto, Jonathan!
- Sesan Jon!
- Simi, Jonathan!
- Sin Chao, Jonathan!
- Terve, Jonathan!
- Toki a, jan Jonatan!
- Àlŏ, Jonathan!
- Òla, Ionatà!
There are a couple of issues here:
- Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks.
- All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. Sin Chao, Jonathan!), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself.
- Most of the translations (i.e. other than Salute, Jonathan! itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them.
While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15.
- If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is.
- Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine
- How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Mithridates! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi!
- Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias.
- So the idea is the following:
- 1 Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest.
- 2 The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua).
- 3 For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere).
- 4 The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo.
- Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. Edit: this page I just added.
- Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions:
- Is the original Salute, Jonathan! (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks.
- For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time.
- For your point 4, I have no problem with that.
- Cheers! –Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello again,
- It's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes
- Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes
- Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes
- Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes
- Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained.
- The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere.
- (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course)
- Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here User:Mithridates/SJ and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content.
- For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions:
- Keep. Content of educational value that helps learn languages. I think more translations to natural languages should be produced. -Bronto Rex (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Mithridates! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned almost 2 decades; a few pages, but each has only a few lines of text. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Extremely narrow scope that I don't think is quite book-worthy, especially given the low amount of content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Abandoned; scope doesn't seem right for Wikibooks; underdeveloped. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this feels like it was an attempt to use Wikibooks to organize a university project and collect student writings; even if it had made more progress, it's not clear that the outcome would have been a textbook. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done, including 5 subpages. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned 2 decades; seems like an idea for a book that was never actually implemented (minimal meaningful content) —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Survived deletion previously on the justification that it could potentially be expanded, but it's since been over a decade with no improvement; extremely minimal educational content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Pages by User:TheoYalur
[edit source]- Henri Poincaré Reader
- The Sight and Sound of the Greek Genocide Around the Kültürpark in Izmir
- God Disorder
These pages all appear to be personal essays, not educational texts. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 03:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- They are all original research. The editor asked to be unblocked so they could move to Wikiversity where OR is permitted. As they have now returned to creating these dubious pages, I have blocked them again and deleted the most recent creation as out of scope original research. The "reader" might be acceptable. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 12:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @MarcGarver! I'm not sure about Henri Poincaré Reader since it has NPOV issues and it reads like a self-published essay piece with personal hypothesizing/opinion/research, no references, etc. Its educational scope is still somewhat unclear, as is the structure—it does not seem textbook-like in form or style. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- You spent more time reading it than me I suspect. I only skimmed it, but I am sure you are right that it has the same issues as the other creations and should be deleted. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- With regard to the "Reader", at best it's a collection of loosely translated excerpts of texts which, for the most part, already have quality translations available on Wikisource. For instance, the section Henri Poincaré Reader#The Measure of Time (1898) is already translated as s:The Foundations of Science/The Value of Science/Chapter 2. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 20:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- You spent more time reading it than me I suspect. I only skimmed it, but I am sure you are right that it has the same issues as the other creations and should be deleted. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @MarcGarver! I'm not sure about Henri Poincaré Reader since it has NPOV issues and it reads like a self-published essay piece with personal hypothesizing/opinion/research, no references, etc. Its educational scope is still somewhat unclear, as is the structure—it does not seem textbook-like in form or style. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Please delete a redirection page of the former user page, which was not active in the En Wikibooks. Thank you. לובר (discuss • contribs) 02:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @לובר: Done though in the future please use {{speedy}} for such deletions. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
As best I can tell, this was intended at one point to be an internal resource for employees of an ODU (Old Dominion University) career office; what little of it exists is primarily focused on minutae irrelevant to anyone outside that office, like who to email to schedule an information session or a collection of meeting notes. It's also all been essentially untouched since 2007. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per stated reasoning —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Extremely minimal content; educational/book scope is unclear; abandoned for >1 decade. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Unclear how this falls into WB scope—doesn't seem to be an educational book, and educational scope is undefined; abandoned as well —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this is perplexing; it's written like a policy proposal on behalf of an agency, not a textbook. From context I think it's about the w:National Police Agency (Taiwan), but it's entirely unclear whether this was intended as an official report or some sort of weird fan fiction. Either way, it doesn't belong here. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 19:31, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned almost 2 decades; consists only of a list of country codes and the phonetic alphabet. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
A collection of fragmentary biographies and interviews of members of the ODU (Old Dominion University) art department. Some of these are individually interesting, I guess, but they don't really add up to a history of the department, let alone to an instructional text. Most editing activity appears to have been around 2008-09; there's almost no activity since then. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 19:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Scope unclear; very little content; abandoned >1 decade —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned almost 2 decades; very little content; unclear what its scope as a book is —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Minimal content; book scope unclear; abandoned almost 2 decades —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Minimal content; consists of single chapter that contains likely outdated information —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned; single chapter with minimal content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- In general, I think deletion not solve anything. While the contents is minimal, it's still better than nothing at all. Rather, an invitation should be made to expand on it. --Ooswesthoesbes (discuss • contribs) 06:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ooswesthoesbes! While I understand your perspective, I unfortunately disagree. Wikibooks has a huge number of abandoned stubs like this one, which I think results in clutter and makes the entire project less useful as a result. Due to their nature and structure, books require a greater committed investment to make than, say, WP articles, and these little scraps are rarely developed here. This book has had plenty of opportunity for expansion since you started it over a decade ago, but nobody has actually made any effort to do so. Based on the evidence from the past decade, when weighing the likelihood of the book being properly developed going forward versus the active negative impact of its continued presence in this state, I favor deletion. Moreover, in the rare case that someone came along later and wanted to revive this book specifically, it could be undeleted. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Consists only of a few paragraphs and then a compilation of links —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.Abandoned almost 2 decades; doesn't contain much beyond what you'd find in a WP article —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I love the game, but yes, this has no real content. That said, there's little danger in keeping it and it could plausibly be improved, so I'm weak keep. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete We can't just rely on User:Someone Else to come – and on a project as small as this, that User:Someone Else is more or less never likely to come. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Unclear how exactly this constitutes an educational book; scope is unclear —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, I didn't even remember this one. I think it's perfectly clear how this is educational and the scope couldn't be clearer, either, but I'm not going to finish it so go ahead and delete it. Főszerkesztő Úr (discuss • contribs) 12:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Adding Character List for Karlgren's GSR and Character List for Schuessler's CGSR for the same reason —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --Tibetologist (discuss • contribs) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Tibetologist, and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see WB:DICT), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at Wiktionary or Wikiversity? Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary.
- Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. Tibetologist (discuss • contribs) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Tibetologist, and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see WB:DICT), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at Wiktionary or Wikiversity? Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?, I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; very minimal content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Significant NPOV issues; not much content; abandoned for >1 decade —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade with very little content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the table of contents makes it clear that this book was intended to house POV religious content (e.g. a chapter titled "Allah Is The One"). This is incompatible with WB:NPOV. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 01:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only Anr and Zache have made edits this year. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled "Using the Finnish Language" or "Put Finnish Language into Use" for a direct translation. Zache (discuss • contribs) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Several pages in Hobo tourism and Hobo travel journalism
[edit source]The following pages are entirely self-promotional content that is suitable for a blog but not WB (same contributor made the now-deleted pages from above).
- Hobo tourism/Third creative trip of Viktor Pinchuk to Africa
- Hobo tourism/Third African trip
- Hobo tourism/Visiting Death
- Hobo tourism/One day in an Afghan prison
- Hobo tourism/Around the world with empty pockets
- Hobo tourism/Indian dreams
- Hobo tourism/Two months of wandering and 14 days behind bars
- Hobo tourism/Holiday of wandering mzungu
- Hobo tourism/Afghan prisoner
- Hobo tourism/Two hundred days in Latin America
- Hobo tourism/Mongolian huyvaldagch
- Hobo tourism/Six months by islands... and countries
- Hobo tourism/Viktor Pinchuk's expedition to the Islands of Oceania
- Hobo tourism/Viktor Pinchuk's solo expedition to Africa (2017/18)
- Hobo tourism/Latin American expedition of Viktor Pinchuk
- Hobo tourism/Bum tour of winter Japan
- Hobo tourism/Afghan Expedition of Viktor Pinchuk
- Hobo tourism/Second creative trip of Viktor Pinchuk to Africa
- Hobo tourism/Creative trip to Mongolia
- Hobo tourism/Creative trip to India
- Hobo tourism/First creative trip of Viktor Pinchuk to Africa
- Hobo tourism/Tropical fever in the bum tour (an example from practice)
- Hobo tourism/African Robbery
- Hobo travel journalism/With a backpack around the planet (rubric in the newspaper “Southern Capital”)
- Hobo travel journalism/Returning from distant wanderings (rubric in the newspaper "Republic of Crimea")
- Hobo travel journalism/Wind of wanderings (rubric in the newspaper "Crimean Time")
- Hobo travel journalism/Around the World (rubric in the newspaper "Crimean Observer")
- Hobo travel journalism/Travel notes (rubric in the ProX magazine)
—Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I would support deleting the entire book, not just these chapters. Even aside from the self-promotional content listed above, other chapters give some extremely questionable advice on sleeping arrangements, such as:
- Trespassing on private property (Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/In halls and stairwells; Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/On objects under construction)
- Sleeping inside archaeological sites (Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/In the ancient pyramid)
- Harassing locals if they don't let you into their house (Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/In Aboriginal dwellings - "independently knock on any dwelling, asking for a place under a canopy in the yard; with a negative result, repeating the action repeatedly")
- Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 04:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agree with above. Delete all.--Xania talk 03:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- These articles have many internal links from English-language Wikinews. Removing the material would harm the news articles and the project as a whole. — Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Виктор Пинчук—while I understand your concern, I'm fairly certain that being linked to is not an acceptable justification in policy or otherwise for content that is inappropriate for Wikibooks in the first place. If that were the case, vandalism or other inappropriate material could be kept simply because it is linked to somewhere else. If consensus says that these pages don't belong at Wikibooks due to the unsuitability of the content, I think that decision will stand independently. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- These articles have many internal links from English-language Wikinews. Removing the material would harm the news articles and the project as a whole. — Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Vandalism is a harmful and unproductive change for the project. But what is reviewed by administrators (precisely administrators, not one administrator) of English-language news cannot be compared to vandalism. Such an example is inappropriate. — Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Then that is an issue which Wikinews can deal with. Wikibooks is its own project, and can make its own decisions about the suitability of content. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wikibooks is harming Wikinews, and that's its problem. Well, that's fine.
However, I want to say that any paper textbook can be supplemented with optional material containing examples on the topic from the author's personal practice. It can be published as a separate brochure or included in a paper textbook. Who wants to — reads, does not want — does not read.They probably haven't heard about it in the English section...— Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)- Это живой и рабочий проект, Виктор. И вы разговариваете с двумя администраторами. Ваши самопиарки поудаляют вскорости, смиритесь. — Ирука13 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wikibooks is harming Wikinews, and that's its problem. Well, that's fine.
- Delete I put half of these articles on ruBooks for deletion a year ago. Alas, ruBooks are more dead than alive. — Ирука13 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
files from Phoenix Wright
[edit source]Used for decorative, not educational, purposes (WB:NFCC#8): File:AAIME Official Artwork.jpg, File:PWAAJFA episode1.png, File:PW JFA Official Artwork.jpg, File:Gyakuten Kenji 2 Official Artwork.png, File:AJ officialart.jpg, File:PW T&T Official Artwork.jpg, File:SMB2 dream staircase art.jpg.
Galleries (WB:NFCC#3): File:Moonflow 27.jpg, File:Macalania 18.jpg, File:Chauncey LM.jpg , File:King Boo LM.jpg, File:Boolossus LM.jpg. — Ирука13 16:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- My thoughts below:
- File:AAIME Official Artwork.jpg Delete purely decorative
- File:PWAAJFA episode1.png Delete purely decorative
- File:PW JFA Official Artwork.jpg Delete purely decorative
- File:Gyakuten Kenji 2 Official Artwork.png Delete purely decorative
- File:AJ officialart.jpg Delete purely decorative
- File:PW T&T Official Artwork.jpg Delete purely decorative
- File:SMB2 dream staircase art.jpg Delete purely decorative
- File:Moonflow 27.jpg
Keep low resolution and seems to be illustrating something - File:Macalania 18.jpg Uncertain
- File:Chauncey LM.jpg Keep seems to be actually illustrating something
- File:King Boo LM.jpg Keep seems to be actually illustrating something
- File:Boolossus LM.jpg Keep seems to be actually illustrating something
- File:AAIME Official Artwork.jpg
- Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned >1 decade; little to no meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
CSD contested by author twice--reasons given were "Test page" and "No useful content." Courtesy pings: Xeverything11, Ternera. JJPMaster (discuss • contribs) 22:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Not undeleted What the IP created is out-of-scope for Wikibooks. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 08:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Done I'm pretty sure this was a delete request, and it was brought here because the original editor kept removing the speedy deletion tag! I already completed it :) —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Kittycataclysm, SHB2000: Yeah, I didn't want to edit war over keeping the CSD tag, so I RfD'd it to play it safe. JJPMaster (discuss • contribs) 18:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- oh, right cool – cheers for making a request here. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 19:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Kittycataclysm, SHB2000: Yeah, I didn't want to edit war over keeping the CSD tag, so I RfD'd it to play it safe. JJPMaster (discuss • contribs) 18:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
NVQ Carpentry books
[edit source]These pages are both largely unformatted lists of test questions and answers pertaining to UK carpentry training programs (cf. w:National Vocational Qualification). They are not written as books, and would take a major effort to transform into appropriate training materials for the associated coursework, rather than the "cheat sheets" they are now. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
This book is a copydump of the Blades of Avernum documentation, which is not freely licensed. (The original documentation is available at [2], in the "Blades of Avernum Editor" download, as "BoA Editor Docs v12.pdf".) Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- If it's a copyvio, I think we can speedy delete it. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiLang
- about 70 subpages; see Special:PrefixIndex/WikiLang/ for a full list
- Transwiki:WikiLang/Gothic alphabet/𐌰
- Transwiki:WikiLang/Jeju
- Transwiki:WikiLang/Plattdüütsch Phonology
These pages were imported from m:WikiLang in 2021 for unclear reasons. It was originally a proposal for a new Wikimedia project which was rejected in 2017. The main page still contains the project proposal from meta, and the subpages contain a mishmash of encyclopedic content (e.g. WikiLang/Africa), word lists (e.g. WikiLang/Blackfoot/Animals), and miscellaneous project content (e.g. WikiLang/Media, WikiLang/News, etc). While the goals of this project may be laudable, this material doesn't add up to a book, and Wikibooks is not a launchpad for new Wikimedia projects. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
This content was imported from Wikipedia about 18 years ago (!), but never found a home in any existing book. Given its extreme age, the instructions on this page are no longer relevant or useful; the Tor Project has more up-to-date content on the topic on its own web site. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- If it's out of date, not useful, and not part of any other book, I can't see a good reason for keeping it. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
This reads like a promotional article for a brand of plant food ("Maxsea"). Even if we had an appropriate book to merge this into, this wouldn't belong in it. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per listed reasons. It does seem suspiciously like promotional material. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
A very incomplete lexicon (consisting of about a dozen words) for what appears to be a constructed language. Even if this were a real language, which it doesn't appear to be, it'd belong on Wiktionary, not here. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
A small collection of a user's Python programs and notes on external resources. This isn't useful as a book (as it's almost entirely source code); we have multiple books like Python Programming on the topic already. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned; no substantial content since the book was created in 2011. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 05:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Unnecessary hardcoded instance of {{Now Commons}}. JJPMaster (she/they) 05:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)